Overcoming Addiction and Alchemizing Struggles with Jesse Harless

[00:00:00] Hector: Jesse, thank you for coming on and spending some time on the Modern Masculinity Podcast.

[00:00:03] Hector: How are you, my man?

[00:00:04] Jesse: I'm doing well. Great.

[00:00:06] Hector: Well, it's okay if you're not though because I think we're both the kind of guys when, when people ask like, how are you, like, sometimes people gotta beware 'cause it's like, well, if you actually wanna know, we're the kind of guys that are willing to jump right in the deep end.

[00:00:18] Hector: and one of the things that I like to do on this podcast is start. With not how Awesome. Tell me about the books you've written. tell me about how you were an Amazon bestseller, and tell me about all the cool things that you've done and the great beard you've got. And like all the, we could go into all of the great things, but we like to start with what are some challenges that you're experiencing as a, man, as business owner, as a leader of, people, what's something that's real and, precious for you right now?

[00:00:45] Jesse: Yeah, I think what's real is that, in my sixth year as a entrepreneur, there's things that. Are challenging. And one of those things is marketing. a lot of people, I believe they get into this, world of entrepreneurship as a coach or facilitator, trainer, and they don't, they're not particularly selling a product per se.

[00:01:03] Jesse: They're not like a brick and mortar. They're, know. I don't like the word I. A thought leader so much as maybe results leader. And I think that, one of the things that starts to happen, especially when a Covid hits, is like, oh my God, what's gonna happen? I can't speak on stages, I can't facilitate in person and I have to adapt.

[00:01:17] Jesse: And I think for me, in 2019, that was like a huge year. I was speaking all the time, all types of places and rooms and just, I was on fire and then Covid hit and it was like, really, really scary time. And then by 2021, I had the dark night of the soul moment where I was like, I didn't wanna exit the planet per se at that moment, but I definitely was like, I'm done.

[00:01:38] Jesse: I'm done with this entrepreneur journey. I'm out. And, you know, and then something happened where it was like a book showed up, a catalyst. I entered the dark cave, and then I kept going. And I would say it was present for me today is like the reality of marketing. You know, how do you market exactly what you do to the people that needed to hear it the most?

[00:01:57] Jesse: And I think for me, And I'm grateful to be on this podcast with you because for me it is starting a podcast and it might not be the answer for everyone, but I love to talk. And when I talk, it generates energy. things download into me when I talk. So if I'm not talking, I'm actually hurting myself.

[00:02:12] Jesse: And it might sound selfish, but it's the opposite. 'cause when I'm talking, other people become motivated. Other people have things to say. And I can create the space after I'm done talking, but it's created in that container. And I think for me right now, it's the marketing of my business and really putting that out there.

[00:02:29] Jesse: What I do.

[00:02:29] Hector: Yeah, I think it's a theme that a lot of, I don't wanna say like every guy goes through, but I think that there are many whose voices that need to be found. And this is something that I've, had to go through in the sense of, people pleasing has kind of been the, thing that I'm trying to undo.

[00:02:46] Hector: and all of the, things that come along with that. And I think that's something that, they're kind of similar. And it's kind of a similar journey that, guys need to be willing to speak their own truth and to be willing to say, and speak their mind because, so many of us were not encouraged to do that growing up.

[00:03:04] Hector: We were told to be quiet and silent or to, pacify things. And, I think that there's a common journey that a lot of guys go through.

[00:03:11] Jesse: Yeah, for sure. I mean, people pleasing. That's been my MO since I was probably eight years old as a coping mechanism. probably about 10 years old actually. 'cause I was pretty confident up until. About 10 years old and something shifted and the people pleasing really started. So I think absolutely it's something that has recently been worked on through some healing journeys I've been on where I was directly confronted with this.

[00:03:32] Jesse: And it's not easy, man. It's an addiction. people pleasing is an addiction. you just have to get that fix. So you wanna make sure that someone's doing okay. You wanna do the extra uhhuh s Yep. Uhhuh, and be really in their world where you're oftentimes denying your authentic self.

[00:03:47] Jesse: And like a trauma bond. And so I think absolutely it goes hand in hand and it goes hand in hand with your business too. If you're people pleasing all the time and you're not speaking your voice out to the public, then you're probably not seeing the results that you could if you were fully authentic.

[00:04:03] Jesse: And that's kind of where I'm at today with myself and my podcast that would be coming out, is I'm just being me like I would privately with my closest friends. You know, that has to become. Public in a lot of ways of the things I'm saying, you know.

[00:04:17] Hector: Now you've written a few books, but the thing that seems to be your calling at least. Most recently helping people who, and correct me if I'm wrong, push back, but generally speaking, who are, dealing with addiction or overcoming addiction or impacted by this, disease, you speak to it but love.

[00:04:35] Hector: For you to share your journey and,you know, today there are these, think they're called like deaths of distress or something like that, but essentially, it's suicide, it's alcohol induced, deaths and basically overdoses. the rate of those deaths are rising faster in men.

[00:04:53] Hector: dramatically than, women. and it's speaking to men's mental health crisis that, I mean, it's getting a little bit of attention recently. I mean, we're, recording this on the last day of Men's Mental Health Month. I don't know how much people are really caring.

[00:05:08] Hector: it's like, oh, that's nice. You know, UNICEF kind of thing. Oh, let me put some, coins on the box there and, feel good about it. so all that to say that there's something that's I think is really bubbling below the surface and maybe not so much, but Take it away because this is your world and, and I'd love for you to enlighten the listeners a little bit on, your journey and your experiences and who you've been working with and all sorts.

[00:05:30] Jesse: Yeah, I mean, no one escapes trauma in this lifetime, and I think that, part of my. Journey has been one of addiction and trauma, I've been able to come through that in some ways I don't even know. It's like I don't even know how I did it. But I think at the same time, by being so immersed in the world of addiction and trauma and.

[00:05:54] Jesse: Even recovery, which are all very triggering words for people. I think that I've been able to see it from different lenses and the more that I let go of old ideas and old conceptions of what recovery might be like, the more I step into worlds that I didn't know existed, which shows me that addiction is universal and so is trauma

[00:06:15] Jesse: I specifically remember sharing the word recovery with a close friend of mine, and he was very triggered by that. He was like, I'm not in recovery. I'm not in recovery. I'm recovered. and I just think like, if this close friend is feeling that way, what does the world feel like when they hear the word addiction or recovery?

[00:06:29] Jesse: They probably get even more triggered. So I, think there's this compassion that I have just because of, My dad at three left for good. You know, he was a cocaine addict alcoholic, which are terms that are, can be really piercing, but can help to understand the level of the addiction.

[00:06:44] Jesse: he was in a car accident, had permanent brain damage, then it was in a coma for 22 days. I never had a relationship with him and he stayed alive from four to 20. Till he drank himself to death. We never talked from four to 20, more than three times, and I don't remember those conversations.

[00:06:59] Jesse: that type of abandonment just stuck with me as a male is like, or it would be for anyone, but I felt like I had caused that in some ways. Like it was my fault. No one's gonna tell me otherwise. That's kind of that programming embedded in my D N A almost, and my body. And so I spent most of my life living from my head to protect myself from getting hurt again.

[00:07:22] Jesse: And I created this whole powerful mind to make sure that I would never get hurt again. ironically, the mind will start to hurt you by keeping in the comfort zone and in the safety. Of the protection of the worlds you're creating and your perception of the world. I heard Risayou don't experience life like as you see it.

[00:07:42] Jesse: It's as you are, who you are. That's how you're seeing the world. And you know, when you're living from the mind and never dropping into the heart and always being there because of survival mode. Your body being in sympathetic nervous system as the baseline of your reality. gonna have different view of, this place not being safe.

[00:07:59] Jesse: And I think for me, that's where coming through that, on the other side of that, of like seeing like, oh my God, I, I created a whole world in my head in recovery of all these things to protect myself from more pain. And when I started to drop into my heart, it was the most terrifying thing in ever to happen.

[00:08:15] Jesse: You know, like a nervous breakdown. Instead of it being this beautiful love experience, it was overwhelming. But in time I started to get used to it. And the daily practices I get used to, and I think a lot of people today, and by the way, I had tribe So when we talk about people off this planet, with suicide, overdose, all time highs, all time highs right now, never been this high and Part of that is the tribe, the community feeling that you are one, you are connected. And fortunately, I had that I was able to have someone to share this process of emergence to my heart. it was not easy, but I had a tribe. So I would say like community. Having a tribe and beyond Alcoholics Anonymous, I'm not talking about 12 steps either.

[00:08:56] Jesse: That's not enough. That's the problem today, is that when people are struggling with addiction and trauma's a whole nother rabbit hole, but tr uh, addiction, where are they gonna go? where are they gonna go if they're not entrepreneurial, a self-sufficient or interpersonal growth and development?

[00:09:10] Jesse: Where do they really go? A lot of people are exiting the planet because there's not really a place for them to go because of the stigma, the shame, and the trauma and the way that people look at, whether we look at it as this disease or not. To me, it's really more of like, Dr. Gabra mate, like what happened to you?

[00:09:27] Jesse: When you start to get to know someone, you say what happened to you? It's very clear that what they're doing is just soothing. They have a solution that soothes the pain. They're just self-soothing. So it's not that complicated. But it would take a radical shift in consciousness to help people come to compassion, to be able to build.

[00:09:45] Jesse: Opportunities for people to get better in that way. And many also suffer in silence too. So I'm just talking about people who we see that are suffering, that we know. But there's a lot of people suffering in silence, especially entrepreneurs.

[00:09:58] Hector: Yeah. you brought up a number of things that I think are worth pursuing. So I'll just throw 'em out there and you can kind of pick and we'll just leave some open loops to fuck with people's heads. the theme that I'm actually realizing between all of these things is that I don't think guys are, I don't know if aware is, the right word, because they are probably aware, but they're suppressing the realization that they have trauma,

[00:10:21] Hector: or even that they, in the same way that they are addicted, they go, I'm not addicted, because they're. Not addicted to what society says that you can get addicted to. So, yeah, for sure. They're not doing cocaine or, they're not, doing meth or, opiates or whatever.

[00:10:38] Hector: But maybe it's video games or maybe it's porn, or maybe it's even working out. steroids is an epidemic that I don't think enough people are, talking about right now. I'm for sure you could just take one look at me and go, he's not on gear for sure.

[00:10:52] Hector: So I, I don't have that, concern, but I know a lot of guys are looking for this validation or worth and they're turning to all of these, things, so anyways, that's how I'll color this next part. And you can kind of, you know, share whatever you think is relevant.

[00:11:05] Jesse: Yeah, I mean it's not hard to figure out that we're in a place that in a lot of ways addiction is just the norm where I could go to my cell phone and instantly have four k. Any type of fantasy. I choose pornography instantly on my phone and the highest quality and probably a hundred thousand videos to choose from for free. But if I wanted to research holistic health, I wanted to understand addiction better and really wanted to go really deep in how can I get well without spending 30,000 a month?

[00:11:38] Jesse: good luck. It's gonna be a tough one to find. So, I just think that, for anyone listening, it's like, oh, well there's no hope, but there is. The hope is the journey to the heart. It's like finding in yourself what you're worth is who you really are, and when you start to realize your inherent worth.

[00:11:57] Jesse: All the tools you've ever needed are inside of you. And we all need some assistance to realize that maybe not all of us, but someone like me does. that's the real journey. It's the inner journey, it's hard to get to that journey when we're addicted to the foods. We're addicted to the porn, we're addicted to our stories.

[00:12:15] Jesse: We're addicted to depression. We're addicted to these things, and I know I'm using the word addiction in a way. Maybe someone hasn't heard before, but in a lot of ways, it's easy to say that it's a chemical imbalance or it's a brain disease. It's, it's, that's easy to say, but I, think if could go a little deeper than that, we can see this person has a story that is colored in All kinds of things that they're now having to somehow release these programs that they've been programmed into, or addiction will be the norm.

[00:12:46] Jesse: And that, again, the addiction doesn't have to be fentanyl, doesn't have to be crystal meth. That's not what we're talking about. Talk about emotional addictions. We're talking about emotional addictions that run your whole life. Codependency, people pleasing, even spirituality, even meditation that can become an addiction. Oh, I have this thing going on. Lemme just meditate. 20 minutes.

[00:13:04] Hector: Well, dude, right before our call you sent me an episode to listen to and we're gonna get into that. 'cause I think it's, it's so important kind of the topics that they're talking about, but even after I was listening to that, which talked about addiction and you mentioned caffeine, I went and grabbed my, my ice coffee out of the kitchen.

[00:13:20] Hector: So it's like these addictions. I laugh and it's a way of justifying it or whatever, But it's like they're real. I think that this conversation is, really about opening people's eyes addiction is perhaps more prevalent and in that prevalence, It seeps into areas of our life that I don't think we realize are affected by it.

[00:13:38] Hector: that's the secondary problem, right? It's like we justify it, but then it starts to create issues or challenges or problems in other areas of our life that we're not connecting the dots, we're not seeing the causality between them, but, they're there.

[00:13:51] Jesse: Yeah, I mean, have you ever been in love before or felt love, the deepest type of love for a person or yourself, is that the time where you wanna, have a couple drinks? Is that the time when you wanna numb out with porn? No, Those are the times where you wanna savor those moments of, oh, this is beautiful, this feeling that I have, this feeling of connectedness to creator source, whatever it is, this person having that experience.

[00:14:15] Jesse: So I just say that to say, if you've been in a life of struggle, survival, or even if you have felt, you've never had that, you've had no trauma, you had the perfect parents, well then why are you unhappy? so I think in many ways it's like Learning just about self-love and learning about ways that you can foster that self-love, which might be through therapy.

[00:14:37] Jesse: It might be through some type of guide. It might be through some type of medicine journey. It might be through cult therapy. It might be through all these different methods, it being in nature, nature bathing. But I think did I learn any of that stuff in school? Did I learn any of that stuff in graduate degree?

[00:14:54] Jesse: No, and it's not, I'm not blaming anyone, but it's like, where was I gonna learn this? I had to hit a bottom for me, A really hard bottom to be broken into, pieces to then go, please fing help me. And something showed up to help. it's not always what you want it to be either. What shows up to help.

[00:15:12] Hector: Yeah, that's for sure, because In my own journey, it's, only when I'm looking for solutions and I'm, stubborn enough to, push that all the way to where the universe sometimes like, you didn't hear the knocking.

[00:15:25] Hector: So that's why they like smash through the door, that, sort of concept where, We have to be willing, period, we just have to be willing. You sent me a, podcast episode, which I thought was really interesting and talked about, the connection between plant medicine and addiction the healing part of it. And so I'm, curious for you, it was this mysterious text. I had to double check and make sure that it was you, but Yeah, only because I knew that we were recording. I was like, I think this is Jesse. had to, double check the number.

[00:15:52] Hector: Talk to us about, what the connection is there, or talk to me about, why is that relevant for guys today, especially, you know, given the mental health conversation that we've been having.

[00:16:02] Jesse: Well, yeah, I mean, I'll just start with if you don't know my background, which many people probably don't, I have a background in, addiction to many things, right? I was hard drugs, alcohol, sex, porn, all of that and more. so I was arrested at 22 years old facing serious charges and I was sort of forced into recovery, which was great.

[00:16:22] Jesse: through those 15 years, I was a hundred percent convinced that anything other than pure sobriety, that it wasn't true recovery. That it didn't actually, count. 'cause if you did that, you were gonna relapse and die. So that was ingrained into me for 15 years when I started to. Listen to my heart, these teachers would show up one of them was in 2018, I heard a guy named Dr. Dan Engel speak at a GoBundance event, and I grabbed him after he just so happened to be by himself and I pulled him aside for 40 minutes and I basically just started saying, why would someone in long-term recovery.

[00:16:57] Jesse: From anything, alcohol, drugs, gambling, porn, all of it. Why would they choose to engage in, let's say psychedelic medicines? he looked at me really funny. He is like, help people all the time in long-term recovery, do psychedelic medicines. I'm like, really? He's like, yeah. I'm like, okay.

[00:17:14] Jesse: So that planted a big seed of books. And guides that I would start to read and, and learn about. And it took about four years, three and a half years before I was ready to engage in a very, very meticulous way. For me, this is how I chose to do it. lots of research. Hired a psychedelic coach well before I did it, and I just went into that with a lot of intention.

[00:17:36] Jesse: To begin a, a microdosing protocol. And I can tell you that first day I did that, I had a nervous breakdown because my whole ego structure for 15 years was based on a concept and it all got shattered by myself in my bedroom, by my mirror, on the floor, nervous breakdown for three hours on a subception dose of psilocybin.

[00:17:55] Jesse: I had my moment, when I rose from that moment, I rose as as a fucking warrior. I literally did, I rose up and I was like, holy shit, I'm not letting anyone get in my way. Meaning that I'm not gonna let my own stories or myself get in my way of living my authentic truth. To live from my authentic voice of what I know, that everything has led me to that moment.

[00:18:19] Jesse: I'd done so much research and I worked out and I felt amazing and, and then I started that journey and I think A lot of the benefits that can come from a very intentional practice of utilizing these medicines. Now, let's go back to my story, though. I had 15 years of hardcore. I. Recovery, meaning I was all in.

[00:18:40] Jesse: I was sponsoring, I was helping men. I was running groups, I was all in. I'd written a book. I had done all these things. So I had this huge foundation of cold therapy meditation for 12 years. So don't just think you can die right into psychedelics and everything's gonna be better overnight. I had a huge foundation.

[00:18:57] Jesse: Even the 12 steps were the foundation of principles of my integration process. So I had a lot of experience by the time I ever took the first dose. I wanna say that to say if anyone's thinking about that. some people in extreme situations. And if you can get a place where you're in a very safe container with professionals that can help you, really consider that.

[00:19:17] Jesse: But if some people in really bad positions, they're gonna die. And I know many of these people addicted to Fentanyl and they're in really bad positions and it, it's over for them. So they'll go to Canada, they'll go to different places and do iboga. And they'll followed it up with something else. five m e o d m t.

[00:19:31] Jesse: And then the next thing you know, they're not gonna die that day and things start to improve and they integrate with a coach. So there's a lot of potential in this space, in addiction, in trauma, and we're really seeing it grow. And it doesn't mean it's the end all be all, but it is another option for people.

[00:19:49] Jesse: And if you don't have a foundation of other practices, it could be really challenging. The integration process, especially a tribe or community or a person or a coach, therapist, someone who can help you to integrate these experiences. So I'll just stop there 'cause I could go really deep into that.

[00:20:05] Hector: Well, to, I want you to keep going and I'd love to just color it with a little nuance here, and that's one of our mutual mentors. How Elrod has, popularized the not so obvious. You know, blank. He loves to do that. And I've, taken that I enjoy that too, because I think that that is always a great topic because everybody always hears the obvious things about, psilocybin or the effects of, you know, these types of medicines.

[00:20:30] Hector: so I'm always curious about the not so obvious benefits or effects or things to think about let's just talk about that. when you think about, the not so obvious things things that you didn't see coming. Another, theme that comes up on here is, blind spots.

[00:20:46] Hector: I was just talking to a friend this morning about, You know, a similar conversation and it is just weird how the universe happens, and one of the things that we were talking about is how these medicines might help you to see things that you're not currently seeing, know, it helps you to kind of get outside of yourself in a, variety of capacities.

[00:21:04] Hector: And so I'm just curious, you know, to help those guys who are either thinking. I don't need this, or I don't do that, or I don't need it. That's not for me. I'm good. are there things that, you've seen that you didn't expect or didn't see coming?

[00:21:20] Jesse: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, fortunately I had a really wise friend that said to me, when you engage in this journey, who had, by the way, long-term recovery, he said, when you engage in this journey, your whole life's gonna change. Opportunity's gonna open up, new relationships are gonna open up, a lot's gonna happen for you.

[00:21:38] Jesse: And I was like, you know what? I believe you, but we'll see when it happens. We'll see it when it happens. he was right because as soon as I embarked on the journey, I started having shifts and the way I set boundaries with people, I started to learn. how engrossed I still was in, people pleasing how much I did it.

[00:21:56] Jesse: The medicine showed me to my face it was undeniable. I had things that I didn't even realize were in my consciousness, that were operating automatically in the blind spot areas that were just like, oh, you're gonna come and meet me as a medicine. Oh, very brave soul. Here you go.

[00:22:14] Jesse: Everything was shown that needed to be shown at that moment of my level of consciousness. And boy, was it painful, but boy, what did it change? Everything. And I started to learn what boundaries were after a specific, healing session I had with, psilocybin, it started to show me like, oh shit, this stuff is still happening.

[00:22:32] Jesse: It's happening every day. There's people pleasing. I was just shown it Claire as day and I was able to that same day, Start to work towards changing it. It was that quick of a turnaround and I was able to, the week after start to set boundaries with relationships that those adults didn't even know what a boundary was.

[00:22:50] Jesse: Never had learned about it. I certainly didn't. And when I started to set these boundaries, my relationship started changing. I just started, I just stopped tolerating these behaviors. I. With the knowing that I could lose these relationships, but I was doing it from a pure intention and exactly the opposite happened.

[00:23:09] Jesse: These people not only are closest to me than ever, they are thanking me to teach about teaching 'em about boundaries. And these are. Really close people to me. So it's really interesting. So there's so many things that have come that were unexpected beyond words, and I'll just say there's a lot of them, Hector.

[00:23:26] Jesse: But I would say the biggest one that's happened more recently is my connection to love, unconditional love. that's probably the biggest one. I used to say in my story, I. If anyone's ever read the the book, last book I wrote, I said, the first time I ever felt love was when I did cocaine.

[00:23:43] Jesse: That was the first time in my entire life at 20 years old, that I ever felt what love is, and so I now know what love is completely sober all the time because I had some big experiences that showed me that. That I could have that and that it's within me and it's within every person. that's been the most beautiful thing that's happened more recently, is just that connection to unconditional love.

[00:24:07] Jesse: You can call it whatever you want. Source, creator, God, Yahweh, whatever you want to call it. But that has been expanded from an actual belief of that I had a belief in that everyone knew me as a guy who has strong faith, strong belief. Now it's a knowing that's something no one can ever take. it's really been profound, that integration of that experience.

[00:24:27] Hector: Let's do like an r l Stein. Choose your own, adventure. Section here, because is it important to talk about next the integration process and to talk about that aspect of it so that people are. Are aware, maybe that's more important if it's different than what people think.

[00:24:46] Hector: I always come to many of these conversations trying to bring The context of what do most people think? with the realization and understanding that, that's usually different than the actual reality of it. And so if the integration process is something that people should understand, then let's go there.

[00:25:03] Hector: Or, um, because we just like to throw out open loops do we go to, how do we get started? You mentioned there's different medicines and. From my understanding, you know, different medicines are, typically, I don't wanna say better, but you might choose different medicines to heal.

[00:25:20] Hector: I don't know what, the word is, right? to work with different challenges or holdups or conditions or insert whatever noun you want. but those are the two routes that I think are kind of coming up. We'll see if we can get to both, but which of those do you think is more relevant to the conversation right now?

[00:25:37] Jesse: well, I think because integration was mentioned, I think it is the most important thing. Integration is the most important thing when you have an experience, because it can be extremely destabilizing. You can have an experience and I'm talking about doing it in a safe container with professionals that know what they're doing.

[00:25:56] Jesse: It can be extremely stabilizing. Now, if it's in a setting that is not safe and you're doing it alone, it can be extremely dangerous. You can die depending on what your. Ingesting. So I would say that the integration is everything. it's like 2% depending on which your medicine, you're jumping into.

[00:26:14] Jesse: 2% is the medicine, 98% integration. Now, some of the medicines are big, big experiences, and maybe it's a higher percentage than that for sure. But it's the integration of that experience and carrying that into your three D world, whatever world you're living in, which is the three D, it's really important to bring that in.

[00:26:33] Jesse: 'cause you might have a guide come to you, you might have a message come to you. You might have a trauma that you didn't know that was buried so deep at seven years old, come to you and they can be extremely destabilizing. Your belief systems could be completely uprooted. Seeing what's inside of you can be very scary and you can start to blame the medicine.

[00:26:52] Jesse: You can blame entities or you can just look into yourself and say, that was, that's within me. And so the integration process is critical and I was fortunate to have, you know, someone to walk me through the whole integration of it all through all of it. I chose that consciously because of my background as a therapist, as all the things I've done.

[00:27:15] Jesse: So I wanted to make sure that I was gonna do this in a way that I could model it for others, but it's not accessible to everyone. I also have accessibility and privilege in many ways to access things that people cannot, and I realized that. So what I would recommend is to do the work. First start with one minute of hot to cold shower.

[00:27:38] Jesse: You know, start with some five minutes of deep breathing into the heart. Start doing research of how can I just go outside and with my bare feet in the grass and start to earth every day and get a little bit of sun every morning, no matter what? Start there. Start with those habits, and then if you do decide to choose a medicine which are all different and unique, then. Make sure that you are having this idea that you're gonna want someone to help you to integrate that you know you're gonna wanna have someone, you can voice this to this powerful experience and then use these practices. You're not in the medicine every day, 24 7. So it's, you're gonna have to be back to reality and the reality.

[00:28:20] Jesse: Will be slightly different. So integrating these powerful experiences is everything. And of course we can go deep into what integration is. But integration is really just having a plan for what you're gonna do an hour after that experience, 24 hours after the experience, one week, two weeks, six weeks, six months, one year.

[00:28:39] Jesse: In fact, 'cause these, some of these are big experiences have that in place also, Look into how you can improve yourself holistically, wholeness, looking at each part of you, emotional health, mental health, physical health, even financial health. Looking at all these things that are big triggers that maybe the medicine showed you.

[00:29:01] Jesse: How can I get asked for help? Where can I go? Maybe I can go to YouTube. I learn a lot from YouTube, which is free. You know, so utilize these free resources. And then things I mentioned were free walking outside barefoot, cold showers, right? Meditation, breathing into your heart. said things that are free that you could do any time.

[00:29:19] Jesse: so these are the things everyone is, unique and, ways of integration, but having things that work for you is gonna be really essential.

[00:29:27] Hector: Such a good conversation, Jesse. Maybe we'll have to have you back to close some of those loops, but, if people wanna get connected with you, find out more about you, read any of the books, would love for you to share where people can get connected.

[00:29:40] Jesse: Yeah, I would say the best way to get connected is Instagram, Jesse Harless, 2, 2, 2. You can send me a message. That's probably the best way you can go to. Jesse harless.com. You can message me there. that's probably the best ways you can find me and if anyone's wondering like, what am I into these days?

[00:29:55] Jesse: the big thing that I'm into these days is helping people walk through these journeys we just described. But also I'm also into training people, companies different ways to come together in wholeness and holistic ways, but also using methodologies like exchange and things that we didn't bring up in this conversation, but I wanted to bring it here at the end.

[00:30:13] Jesse: And so that's kind of what I'm working on. And, and also, uh, the next book too that started to kind of seep into my reality right now. But thanks for asking.

[00:30:23] Hector: So cool. Yeah. I love what you're doing and it, so cool to see the evolution of Jesse it's emblematic. the beard is, I think a bigger emblem of, of the evolution because I, if I'm not mistaken, you had hair on top of your head when we met it was very, you were a little more buttoned up.

[00:30:41] Hector: just so cool to see you step into your, your fullness really help people that desperately need help. And so, yeah man, I just, just wanted to honor you for that, for all you fellas and all, anybody who made it here. Thank you for, for sticking with us today.

[00:30:58] Hector: If you got anything outta today, we would love and appreciate a rating or review wherever you got your podcast. And if you know a guy that needs to hear this, anyone who needs to hear this, send this to them go get connected with Jesse let's keep evolving. We appreciate you being a part of the tribe, y'all.

[00:31:12] Hector: We'll see on the next one later, fellas.